Comments on: Pondering Peace, Wondering War https://thehalfwaypoint.net/2010/04/pondering-peace-wondering-war/ choosing positivity Fri, 20 May 2011 19:53:09 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Kristen @ Motherese https://thehalfwaypoint.net/2010/04/pondering-peace-wondering-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1294 Kristen @ Motherese Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:44:39 +0000 https://thehalfwaypoint.net/?p=1779#comment-1294 My older son is a bit younger than yours and he is just entering the "why?" and "what is _____?" phase. As much as I love his curiosity, I feel scared of not having the answers to all of his questions - especially when the questions are the weighty type you present in this post. I have to believe that fostering an environment in which our children can safely ask questions is one way to promote peace in our homes and in their futures. My older son is a bit younger than yours and he is just entering the “why?” and “what is _____?” phase. As much as I love his curiosity, I feel scared of not having the answers to all of his questions – especially when the questions are the weighty type you present in this post.

I have to believe that fostering an environment in which our children can safely ask questions is one way to promote peace in our homes and in their futures.

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By: Nicki https://thehalfwaypoint.net/2010/04/pondering-peace-wondering-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1271 Nicki Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:22:16 +0000 https://thehalfwaypoint.net/?p=1779#comment-1271 War and peace. Peace and war. For words that have been around for ages, possibly even eons, we do not understand them well. I am with the war=bad and peace=good. Unfortunately, my mind doesn't do simplistic. I still recall things from my childhood while the US was in Vietnam vividly. The Lt. Calley and the My Lai Massacre, American flag-draped caskets coming home to Dover Air Base, stories from those I knew who served. For years I would not watch a war movie. It took a good friend to loan me a few before I watched movies that are not war movies but contain war. I just couldn't do it. I also vividly remember 9/11/2001. I remember everything about that day - where I was, what I was doing, trying to postpone a meeting to stay home and watch the news, looking for a friend's name as I was unsure if his transfer had gone through yet and did not know if he was in one of the Towers. The only differences between war and 9/11 were some of my perspectives because of being a parent now. War and peace. Peace and war. For words that have been around for ages, possibly even eons, we do not understand them well. I am with the war=bad and peace=good.

Unfortunately, my mind doesn’t do simplistic. I still recall things from my childhood while the US was in Vietnam vividly. The Lt. Calley and the My Lai Massacre, American flag-draped caskets coming home to Dover Air Base, stories from those I knew who served. For years I would not watch a war movie. It took a good friend to loan me a few before I watched movies that are not war movies but contain war. I just couldn’t do it.

I also vividly remember 9/11/2001. I remember everything about that day – where I was, what I was doing, trying to postpone a meeting to stay home and watch the news, looking for a friend’s name as I was unsure if his transfer had gone through yet and did not know if he was in one of the Towers. The only differences between war and 9/11 were some of my perspectives because of being a parent now.

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By: J.D. Meier https://thehalfwaypoint.net/2010/04/pondering-peace-wondering-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1268 J.D. Meier Mon, 12 Apr 2010 05:40:12 +0000 https://thehalfwaypoint.net/?p=1779#comment-1268 I think a lot of the skills we learn in corporate life ... emotional intelligence, conflict and negotiation, empathy ... etc. are the same skills that help with peace. Without the skills, it gets pretty primal. I think a lot of the skills we learn in corporate life … emotional intelligence, conflict and negotiation, empathy … etc. are the same skills that help with peace. Without the skills, it gets pretty primal.

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By: Sara https://thehalfwaypoint.net/2010/04/pondering-peace-wondering-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1263 Sara Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:09:29 +0000 https://thehalfwaypoint.net/?p=1779#comment-1263 Belinda -- Sometimes it's good to be late. I came to this post and got to read both the wonderful post and the comments. I loved Tony's comment and Father Michael's story about the Cherokee Legend. I agree with others that your answers for your three -year-old were wonderful. I think it's also very interesting that he asked these questions. It shows a mind that is willing to contemplate the polarities in our human nature. I think there's a part of us that needs this polarity if only to find our balance:~) Belinda — Sometimes it’s good to be late. I came to this post and got to read both the wonderful post and the comments. I loved Tony’s comment and Father Michael’s story about the Cherokee Legend.

I agree with others that your answers for your three -year-old were wonderful. I think it’s also very interesting that he asked these questions. It shows a mind that is willing to contemplate the polarities in our human nature.

I think there’s a part of us that needs this polarity if only to find our balance:~)

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By: Lauren https://thehalfwaypoint.net/2010/04/pondering-peace-wondering-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1249 Lauren Sat, 10 Apr 2010 04:19:11 +0000 https://thehalfwaypoint.net/?p=1779#comment-1249 Wow, Belinda, out of the mouth of babes! What poignant questions. I ponder war and peace often. I remember starting in jr. high I had a problem saying the pledge to the flag. It is not that I don't love and appreciate the United States. I do. It's just that I could not pledge my allegiance blindly to every act, regardless of what act might be committed. Personally I love the freedom flag the most. Honoring all countries, being a world citizen. With that said, I have what is probably a very unpopular perspective. I believe there is likely to always be war, as there is darkness to light. It provides contrast. Both war and peace seem to be embedded in the human psyche. Still, I will place my chips in the peace arena. My hope is to create peace in my interpersonal relationships and with all those whom I come in contact with. I love your response to your son! No easy answers are there? I love the way you embrace these deeper issues and address them. Wow, Belinda, out of the mouth of babes! What poignant questions.

I ponder war and peace often. I remember starting in jr. high I had a problem saying the pledge to the flag. It is not that I don’t love and appreciate the United States. I do. It’s just that I could not pledge my allegiance blindly to every act, regardless of what act might be committed.

Personally I love the freedom flag the most. Honoring all countries, being a world citizen.

With that said, I have what is probably a very unpopular perspective. I believe there is likely to always be war, as there is darkness to light. It provides contrast. Both war and peace seem to be embedded in the human psyche.

Still, I will place my chips in the peace arena. My hope is to create peace in my interpersonal relationships and with all those whom I come in contact with.

I love your response to your son! No easy answers are there? I love the way you embrace these deeper issues and address them.

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By: Belinda Munoz https://thehalfwaypoint.net/2010/04/pondering-peace-wondering-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1240 Belinda Munoz Fri, 09 Apr 2010 05:49:36 +0000 https://thehalfwaypoint.net/?p=1779#comment-1240 @Tracy, indeed. I, too, have visceral reactions to both which predictably lead to further murky territory. Still, I wonder if we attempt to exhaust every possibility for non-violence before we resort to war. In my ideal world, I question if war ever needs to be an option at all let alone be a last resort. I wonder if we try hard enough to expand how we view and value peace and if by doing so, can war become less and less of an option. Thanks for the visit. @Justin, always good to hear your thoughts. Thanks for weighing in. @Tony, all good questions. And like you, I get stuck not so much on the definition but on the practice. We have a few examples of peaceful revolutions in our history but they really do pale in comparison to the bloodbath that we seem to habitually get ourselves into. Wanting to be right is a really big deal to a lot of people. I know I fall into that trap many more times than I'd like. I don't know any other way to see fighting a war to achieve peace as anything other than hypocritical, though I can see how that would seem to be a limited view to some. Thanks for the conversation. @Nadia, thank you! Wanting to be right versus wanting to be happy does seem to be a real struggle for many and I love the point you make about being awake to our connectedness. This is a theme I come back to all the time in my 30s. Separateness is a farce in many ways; none of us gets anywhere in life alone. None. And yet so many of us have blatant disregard for our commonalities and indisputable interdependence. Laways great to see you here. @Fr. Michael, I love that Cherokee legend as it covers many of my buzz words. I've never heard it before. I'm familiar with these wolves and I sure hope I can recognize which wolf I'm feeding : ) Thanks right back atcha. @Greg, thank you. I agree, love trumps all and it feels great to be saying this from experience. @Eva, it's amazing how the questions from my son are actually more energizing than overwhelming or enervating. For now, at least. The little ones add so much fullness to everyday life. "The Pacific" sounds like good tv. I am unequivocally anti-war and am convinced that most people would rather stay as far away from it as possible (could be naive of me to think so). Yet its frequent occurrence despite the gravity of its effects compels me to consider if there's any justifiable good that comes from it despite the loss of dutiful (military/militia, etc.) and innocent lives. Thanks for your insight. @Mimidsay, hello there. Haven't seen either. Thanks for the recommendations and for stopping by. @Baker, ahh, happy childhood memories are priceless and I'm happy to have helped invoke a few. Many thanks for your kind words. @Madeleine, good to see you here again. Yes, you bring up a gray, gray area. I, too, hold human rights in the highest regard, and yet I wonder if slavery could've ended with a peaceful war. <strong>Gandhi</strong> comes to mind as the best example for non-violence. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Revolution" rel="nofollow">People Power Revolution</a> in the 80s in the Philippines also comes to mind which stopped a civil war before it began. And, Speaker Pelosi at an event the other night reminded me of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_man" rel="nofollow">Tank Man</a> in Tiananmen Square who stopped the advance of tanks by standing in front of them. These are tiny little glimmers of hope in history that show that there are non-violent ways to resolve a conflict. We could use more examples, though, but who will initiate them and how? @Patty, I agree, war: unequivocally bad; peace: unequivocally good. And yet. As I mentioned in my comments above, there's proof in history that conflict can be resolved through non-violence. My possibly naive self keeps hoping that we can evolve toward this. If it's possible in rare cases, perhaps it can be possible in more cases in the future. And thanks for the thanks. It makes me very happy to know that I've lifted you up today. @BigLittleWolf, I was supposed to be on a plane to NY that day. So many memories from that day are either blocked out or fuzzy. Who can blame us? @Tracy, indeed. I, too, have visceral reactions to both which predictably lead to further murky territory. Still, I wonder if we attempt to exhaust every possibility for non-violence before we resort to war. In my ideal world, I question if war ever needs to be an option at all let alone be a last resort. I wonder if we try hard enough to expand how we view and value peace and if by doing so, can war become less and less of an option. Thanks for the visit.

@Justin, always good to hear your thoughts. Thanks for weighing in.

@Tony, all good questions. And like you, I get stuck not so much on the definition but on the practice. We have a few examples of peaceful revolutions in our history but they really do pale in comparison to the bloodbath that we seem to habitually get ourselves into. Wanting to be right is a really big deal to a lot of people. I know I fall into that trap many more times than I’d like. I don’t know any other way to see fighting a war to achieve peace as anything other than hypocritical, though I can see how that would seem to be a limited view to some. Thanks for the conversation.

@Nadia, thank you! Wanting to be right versus wanting to be happy does seem to be a real struggle for many and I love the point you make about being awake to our connectedness. This is a theme I come back to all the time in my 30s. Separateness is a farce in many ways; none of us gets anywhere in life alone. None. And yet so many of us have blatant disregard for our commonalities and indisputable interdependence. Laways great to see you here.

@Fr. Michael, I love that Cherokee legend as it covers many of my buzz words. I’ve never heard it before. I’m familiar with these wolves and I sure hope I can recognize which wolf I’m feeding : ) Thanks right back atcha.

@Greg, thank you. I agree, love trumps all and it feels great to be saying this from experience.

@Eva, it’s amazing how the questions from my son are actually more energizing than overwhelming or enervating. For now, at least. The little ones add so much fullness to everyday life. “The Pacific” sounds like good tv. I am unequivocally anti-war and am convinced that most people would rather stay as far away from it as possible (could be naive of me to think so). Yet its frequent occurrence despite the gravity of its effects compels me to consider if there’s any justifiable good that comes from it despite the loss of dutiful (military/militia, etc.) and innocent lives. Thanks for your insight.

@Mimidsay, hello there. Haven’t seen either. Thanks for the recommendations and for stopping by.

@Baker, ahh, happy childhood memories are priceless and I’m happy to have helped invoke a few. Many thanks for your kind words.

@Madeleine, good to see you here again. Yes, you bring up a gray, gray area. I, too, hold human rights in the highest regard, and yet I wonder if slavery could’ve ended with a peaceful war. Gandhi comes to mind as the best example for non-violence. The People Power Revolution in the 80s in the Philippines also comes to mind which stopped a civil war before it began. And, Speaker Pelosi at an event the other night reminded me of the Tank Man in Tiananmen Square who stopped the advance of tanks by standing in front of them. These are tiny little glimmers of hope in history that show that there are non-violent ways to resolve a conflict. We could use more examples, though, but who will initiate them and how?

@Patty, I agree, war: unequivocally bad; peace: unequivocally good. And yet. As I mentioned in my comments above, there’s proof in history that conflict can be resolved through non-violence. My possibly naive self keeps hoping that we can evolve toward this. If it’s possible in rare cases, perhaps it can be possible in more cases in the future. And thanks for the thanks. It makes me very happy to know that I’ve lifted you up today.

@BigLittleWolf, I was supposed to be on a plane to NY that day. So many memories from that day are either blocked out or fuzzy. Who can blame us?

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By: Tisha https://thehalfwaypoint.net/2010/04/pondering-peace-wondering-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1238 Tisha Fri, 09 Apr 2010 04:52:34 +0000 https://thehalfwaypoint.net/?p=1779#comment-1238 Usually war and peace are two loaded words that I avoid in mixed company, including close friends, even though I know most of them feel the same way I do. My husband and I will sometimes have lively discussions that have been spurred on by a public figure that has done or said something we both dislike. But I think my general aversion comes from, like you, feeling that I am too emotional to make coherent arguments about how I feel. My "hippie-ish" feelings about peace...and love are so strong and heart-centered, it doesn't seem they have a place in the harsh realities of debate and reason. For me, peace is, as you say, cooperation, hand-holding and "hugging it out". War, sadly, is rationale and rhetoric about why those things are not enough. Thanks Belinda for another thoughful post! Usually war and peace are two loaded words that I avoid in mixed company, including close friends, even though I know most of them feel the same way I do. My husband and I will sometimes have lively discussions that have been spurred on by a public figure that has done or said something we both dislike. But I think my general aversion comes from, like you, feeling that I am too emotional to make coherent arguments about how I feel. My “hippie-ish” feelings about peace…and love are so strong and heart-centered, it doesn’t seem they have a place in the harsh realities of debate and reason. For me, peace is, as you say, cooperation, hand-holding and “hugging it out”. War, sadly, is rationale and rhetoric about why those things are not enough.
Thanks Belinda for another thoughful post!

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By: BigLittleWolf https://thehalfwaypoint.net/2010/04/pondering-peace-wondering-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1235 BigLittleWolf Fri, 09 Apr 2010 02:15:58 +0000 https://thehalfwaypoint.net/?p=1779#comment-1235 What a thought-provoking piece. Of all the things my children asked about over the years, I don't think they ever asked about peace, or war, specifically. Yet they must have asked something about war - they both watched 9/11 happen on tv, in elementary school, as it was happening. I wonder if I have blocked out that time, those questions. What a thought-provoking piece.

Of all the things my children asked about over the years, I don’t think they ever asked about peace, or war, specifically. Yet they must have asked something about war – they both watched 9/11 happen on tv, in elementary school, as it was happening. I wonder if I have blocked out that time, those questions.

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By: Patty - Why Not Start Now? https://thehalfwaypoint.net/2010/04/pondering-peace-wondering-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1234 Patty - Why Not Start Now? Fri, 09 Apr 2010 01:35:08 +0000 https://thehalfwaypoint.net/?p=1779#comment-1234 I don't think I know anything about war, Belinda. Except that I don't like it. I'm very limited and simplistic on this topic: war = bad; peace = good. But what I can say is that your description of your day with your son and the ongoing conversation and all the questions starting with "Momma," well, that just lifted me up this evening and made me feel that everything is OK. So thank you for that. It's quite, quite wonderful. I don’t think I know anything about war, Belinda. Except that I don’t like it. I’m very limited and simplistic on this topic: war = bad; peace = good. But what I can say is that your description of your day with your son and the ongoing conversation and all the questions starting with “Momma,” well, that just lifted me up this evening and made me feel that everything is OK. So thank you for that. It’s quite, quite wonderful.

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By: Madeleine https://thehalfwaypoint.net/2010/04/pondering-peace-wondering-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1232 Madeleine Fri, 09 Apr 2010 01:14:20 +0000 https://thehalfwaypoint.net/?p=1779#comment-1232 Belinda, Indeed war and peace are difficult concepts to explain to a young child. War is so terrible, violent, and destructive to all involved. And yet I think there can be righteous war and that the Civil War to end slavery in this country was such a war. If we are not willing to fight for fundamental human rights, then how do we justify that to our children and to the generations which come after them? Belinda, Indeed war and peace are difficult concepts to explain to a young child. War is so terrible, violent, and destructive to all involved. And yet I think there can be righteous war and that the Civil War to end slavery in this country was such a war. If we are not willing to fight for fundamental human rights, then how do we justify that to our children and to the generations which come after them?

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